Biblical Discussions "Judgmeent Day / Hnub Txiav Txim May 21, 2011!"

Judgment day: May 21, 2011? Don't let it be a self-fulfilling prophecy!

It seems that you're obsessed with that apocaliptic idea.
Don't you think it's dangerously wrong? Aren't you aware of many of such prophecies in the past including but not limited to Jim Jones, Koresh, so forth and so on... if your bible said so, you certainly got the wrong undertanding. If your belief leads to that notion, you have wrongly believed. I eagerly look forward to reading from you again on May 21, 2011 and thereafter... I will laugh loud and amusingly, Lady!

Please have faith in God - let Him do his job, and just do ours by living fully and appreciate each and every moment with gratitude and significance.

False prophets, pretenders, are all pathetic... Don't get yourself distracted by those imposters.

Again, a true believer should not and never reverse role with God, predict what God's next move will be and speculate when, where and how it will happen.

With candid critics, I do think you've taken the wrong approach to interprete and understand the Bible. As we have barely two months to go, please take care of yourself - I look forward to reading from you on May 21, 2011 and thereafter [just don't do anything stupid].

With a preconceived idea, you tend to have tunnel vision - no one can make you believe otherwise unless you open your mind... May 21, 2011 will dawn and end as every other day; just don't feel 'stupid' when you realize that you've made a big deal out of that crazy apocalyptic idea and doom's day false prophecy.

Let's have faith in God - He is in charge and in control.

Lady;
With all due respects, I feel very obliged to point out that there are ample inconsistencies and even contrations in the Bilbe. Most if not all the texts were written many decades or centuries after the events had occured, and thus it had much of sugar coats to mystifying them. Many texts have been banned and or exculded from the Bible we see today - for a certain reasons the [early] Church believe best fit and control.
You seem to interprete the Bible just like some folks do for Nostradamus, or the Bible codes.
As you invoke investigation prior to comment, you're right -we should indeed really pay attention to any and all elements including but not limited to the social, cultural, military, geopolitics factors at that time and place without passion and without prejudice -non partisan and impartial - to avoiding a tunnel vision trap. We cannot take lightly any and all accounts for being historically true and accurate and or being in accordance to God's will at all times. For instance, among many others, the exodus: the plags can be scientifically explained and link one to another trough chain reactions; Moses [raised by the Pharao's court] knew all techniques and secrets of the Pharao military strategies - he knew perfectly the terrain -therefore he lead the Israelites in the desert for 40 years (*Why?)-get them prepared and ready before entering the promised land to conquer and govern - where did he lead the Israelites to crossing the Red Sea? -not at where we usually believe he did ... Moses was a great military commander and strategist, he would never trap himself. The crossing would be way on the east fork of the Red sea. -In regard to the column of fire and column of cloud...what do you see there? -military signals. We have to see Moses as he really was, a military leader, a strategist, a politician, a lawmaker... Mount Sinai [in the Bible] should not be identified as the one in the Sinai penensula now...but in a different place (most likely in current Saudi-Arabia).
Beside, the Israelites could not be slaves in Egypt...but most likely mercenaries.

Many inconsistencies, for instance, in the Bible, Moses died when he was 120... which contradicts completely the lapse of time recorded: Moses could not be more than 35 when he lead the Israelites out of Egypt...they spent 40 years in the desert...roughly he died by 75, not 120 as said.

Many other incosistencies: The take over of Jericho for example: we have to see with a military mindset, not a mystic event. The spies...the rope... that was where Israelites intrusion occured. The march arround the city was just an distraction and cover up so as enough number of Israelites got into the city before the final assault. The slaughter of any and all men, women, old, young, children and every living thing in the city...reportedly dictated by God... don't you see there atracities? Would a God of mercy do that?

---Saul, the first king...why God picked him to abandoned him later? -that was not God, but a prophet.

---David, betrayed his king (Saul), why? -David killed all Saul's sons except the crippled one, why? -David sent his general to die at the battle field so as he can get the general's wife for him... so forth and so on, Wow!

---Salomon had a harem of 3000 concubines...

Egypt was depicted horrible...and yet, Israelites including, Joseph...and Jesus got its hospitality to survive...each and every time they got in trouble.

So do you read your Bible correctly? -don't you see any of those atrocities, crime agaisnt humanity, perversion? Does God have double standards? Multi-standards? Doesn't God know what He's doing? Aren't non-Iraelites God's children too?

Too many times, humans spoke on behalf of God...distorded their thinkings, validated their actions and or crimes, and said God told them to do so... Give me a break!

[quote=Anonymous]Again, a true believer should not and never reverse role with God, predict what God's next move will be and speculate when, where and how it will happen.

Let's have faith in God - He is in charge and in control.[/quote]

Isaiah 42:9 "Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them."

Before they come to pass, He reveals them to us.

Amos 3:7 "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

Before He does something that was a secret, He reveals that secret to us.

Daniel 12:9 "And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end."

The words about the end were sealed until the end, then God reveals them to us.

John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

God will show us of things to come, His promise to us.

Hebrews 10:25 "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

"As you see the day approaching." How can we see the day approaching unless God reveals this to us?

John 15:15 "Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you."

If Christ says he has made known ALL things to us, then we should be able to find the new things to come (the secret things) in the Bible since there is no other revelation forthcoming outside of Scripture.

Luke 24:45 "Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,"

Unless God opens our spiritual eyes, we cannot see the truth as we read Scripture, even the hidden and secret things so we can "see" the day approaching, Hebrews 10:25

My Anonymous Friend,

* There are NO inconsistencies or contradictions in the Bible, only with one's understanding of it.

2 Peter 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

* There are NO excluded or banned books of the Bible. Anything outside the 66 books of the Bible are simply NOT the Bible. A God that can speak this universe into existence can certainly protect His word throughout the ages.

Revelations 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

* The Bible is a spiritual book and must be spiritually discerned. One cannot look to events in the world to interpret the Bible, the Bible is it's own interpreter.

1 Corinthians 2:12-14 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned.

* Jesus spoke in parables. Jesus Christ our Lord, who created the universe, and dictated the text of the scriptures to holy men of old, speaks in parables.

Matthew 13:3,11-13,34-35, 22;1 Mark 4:2,11;12,33, 12:1 Luke 8:10

2 Peter Ch.3 "Scoffers"

*The Bible tells us there will be scoffers in these last days.

Ezekiel 33:2-7 Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman: If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people; Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul, But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand.So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.

* May 21,2011 = Judgment Day! Listen closely.. can you hear the trumpet???

* There are NO inconsistencies or contradictions in the Bible, only with one's understanding of it.

Come on, A. Watchman! How can you say that without answering any of the points cited? -Come on, don't evade: elaborate yourself and prove me wrong!

* There are NO excluded or banned books of the Bible. Anything outside the 66 books of the Bible are simply NOT the Bible. A God that can speak this universe into existence can certainly protect His word throughout the ages.

Dear, dig further for the truth; there's no harm to foster and nurture INTEGRITY.

* Jesus spoke in parables. Jesus Christ our Lord, who created the universe, and dictated the text of the scriptures to holy men of old, speaks in parables.

I think you are totally wrong with this statement except the part 'Jesus spoke in parables'. You seem very confused; what part of the Bible [exactly] textually indicaded that Jesus [of Nazareth] created the universe, and dictated the text of the scriptures? - how you can allow yourself to making your imagination a reality? That's twisting the scripture, and thus dangerously wrong. We are not allowed, authorized to add or substract anything in part or in whole from the Bible.

* May 21,2011 = Judgment Day! Listen closely.. can you hear the trumpet???

You can listen all you want, with your ears, your heart, your soul...you won't hear the said trompet, unless you're crazy. May 21, 2011 will come and go like any other day; many will die, and many other will be born on that day. The spendor of God will shine over the world and the universe just like any other day; He is in charge and in control.

I look forward to reading from you on and after May 21, 2011. If you believe in those doom's days prophecies, you have too little [and way too wrong] faith in God.

Post #7 asserts: "Many inconsistencies, for instance, in the Bible, Moses died when he was 120... which contradicts completely the lapse of time recorded: Moses could not be more than 35 when he lead the Israelites out of Egypt...they spent 40 years in the desert...roughly he died by 75, not 120 as said. "

A 75 year estimate for Moses' death age is entirely wrong. Acts 7 proves beyond any doubt whatsoever that Moses was 80 years old BEFORE the Exodus!

Act 7:21 And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son.
Act 7:22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.
Act 7:23 And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel.
Act 7:24 And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian:
Act 7:25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.
Act 7:26 And the next day he shewed himself unto them as they strove, and would have set them at one again, saying, Sirs, ye are brethren; why do ye wrong one to another?
Act 7:27 But he that did his neighbour wrong thrust him away, saying, Who made thee a ruler and a judge over us?
Act 7:28 Wilt thou kill me, as thou diddest the Egyptian yesterday?
Act 7:29 Then fled Moses at this saying, and was a stranger in the land of Madian, where he begat two sons.
Act 7:30 And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.

Notice in verse 23, Moses was a "full forty years old" when he defended the Israelite and smote the Egyptian, and after that he fled to the land of Madian, married and had two sons, and AFTER another forty years God appeared to Moses and commanded him to return to Egypt and speak to Pharaoh. That would make Moses 80 years old when God commanded him to return to Egypt and speak to Pharaoh! These numbers of Acts 7 completely harmonize with the statement in Exodus 7:

Exo 7:7 And Moses was fourscore years old, and Aaron fourscore and three years old, when they spake unto Pharaoh.

Here the Bible clearly states Moses was 80 years old when he spoke to Pharaoh. Great harmony! And of course when one adds the 40 years in the wilderness following the Exodus to Moses age of 80 years at the Exodus one arrives at a total age of 120 years old, exactly what the Bible teaches in Deuteronomy 34,

Deu 34:7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died: his eye was not dim, nor his natural force abated.

There we have it, perfect harmony in the Bible. The idea that Moses died at 75 years old rather than 120 is evidence of a very careless study of the Bible!

Quote:There we have it, perfect harmony in the Bible. The idea that Moses died at 75 years old rather than 120 is evidence of a very careless study of the Bible!

Indeed it seems too perfectly harmonious.
The number 40 came out as a patern: Moses lived 40 years in the Sinai area..., the Israelites wandered 40 years in the wilderness,...40 days in the mountain, 40 days of spying...so forth and so on...there're a litany of of the number 40.

In regard to Moses' death - reportedly, he passed away at 120 [exactly] on his very own birth day... though there was no record of his [exact] birth day.

...Moses was the second generation born in Egypt after Jacob's family immigrated to this land joining Joseph... at that time they were 70; how it can be that Moses departed from Egypt with 603,500 able-bodied adults males (not counting Levites) and their families,...?

Common sense dictates cautious and realistic approach: how can a octogenerian can walk for in the desert for that many days...keep pace with all the rest, and still lead over half a million people in march? - was, then, the notion of 'years' with different length - shorter than currently?

In the Genesis...many characters there were reportedly living to 800+ or even 1100+ years...at that point in time? Come on, guys? At the said period, years must not contain 364 and 1/4 days!

Just to cite a few, many more inconsistencies and or contradictions can be found along...to be taken textually.

...when you see "the Gospel according to John, Matthew, Mark, Luke", it may not be written by the cited individuals. It is said "according to", not "by".

To believe in God is more than litterally take the Bible as written, folks!

May 21, 2011 - only 3 more weeks to go...
I look forward to reading you on May 22nd.

ntherr;

You are right! - they have twisted the scriptures to wrongfully influence others, highjack their emotional and mental state, and exploit them - it's so very pathetic and low. False prophets are low life liars, imposters... I would recommend any and every one to believe in God and trust God, and avoid to becoming a false prophet, validate and or support any false prophecy - for by doing so is a sin against the Spirit.

Good morning morning, Hello sunshine!...May 21, 2011 has dawned and set as programed and scheculed by God Almighty. Folks of little faith who have doubted, and followed the false prophet to becoming another one yourselves, what the lesson drawn from this deception of yours? - Don't you see that God is in charge and in control? - Don't ever reverse role with God at any time and under whatsoever the situation - Doomsday speculation and prediction take a lot of your time and energy for nothing; focus on the positive, gracious, true, beauty.

All I have to say is "No one knows the time or the hour, not even the Son." If we can predict judgment day, then we are taking the Glory from God. God created us to glorify HIM. When we are glorifying ourselves, then something is definitely not right because God is not getting the credit he deserves.